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Title: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: No Okie on June 09, 2019, 11:42:22 AM
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This subject is all over the place. It’s ugly, misunderstood, and deadly. After living in this part of the world for the last 18 years, I can see the whys and why nots related to this subject. Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama, is Central America. The US does it’s best to prop up C.R. and Panama. C. R. has its tourism. Panama has the canal. Nicaragua seems to be on its own. Danial Ortega is a dictator, but seems to keep the country together, although it’s a poor country. The other 3 are beyond poor. Poverty breeds corruption. What has happened is that while these countries seem to have governments, they are controlled mostly by thugs. Directly and indirectly. Naturally the main culprit is the drugs that are bound to the first worlds of N.America and Europe. The amounts and the money it brings is staggering. Within these small poor countries there is only one given. Play ball or die. This always include any family member, and it’s a daily occurrence. Many feel that there are zero chances of anything changing. So what’s left? Flee the situation as many do.
     They end up at the US border. This is what desperate poor people do. What would anyone do to save what little they have, like family members? Of course most Mericans choose to ignore this messy situation. Way easier to simply blame the other guy. The Dems blame the Republicans. The Pres blames the Dems. The Pres has no leadership skills that might unite both sides. Part of the entire shit show.
     Is it insane for me to believe that NATO should intervene within these 3 countries? Isn’t NATO a private entity, funded by different countries? NATO was effective in the conflict in Yugoslavia, Palestine, in other Middle East countries? What else is left? Why couldn’t NATO step in? Start working with these governments. Arrest and try and imprison the thugs. Make it safe for any would be illegal immigrant who would much more remain in their countries and no go through the hardships for going north. The wall is an idiotic knee jerk reaction. Really makes me sad to see a Honduran pregnant woman, with a 5 year old in tow, who’s husband was murdered 3 weeks ago by thugs. Could NATO be the answer? Something needs to change. Hope this thread can remain neutral.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: No Okie on June 09, 2019, 11:44:46 AM
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Could you live like this?
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: No Okie on June 09, 2019, 11:53:49 AM
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Or this
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: No Okie on June 09, 2019, 11:58:31 AM
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These fuckers would be happy to murder anyone in your family. Arrest them where they come from.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 09, 2019, 04:12:13 PM
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 ... They end up at the US border. This is what desperate poor people do. What would anyone do to save what little they have, like family members? Of course most Mericans choose to ignore this messy situation. Way easier to simply blame the other guy. The Dems blame the Republicans. The Pres blames the Dems. The Pres has no leadership skills that might unite both sides. Part of the entire shit show.


Why do you seem to think it the American taxpayer's responsibility and obligation to take care of these inferior third worlders?  As our great President has said, some countries are shithole countries.  Shit hole countries don't become shithole countries all by themselves.  They are made shithole countries by the shithole people that live in them.


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Hope this thread can remain neutral.

Sorry.  Anyone who uses the term "Mericans" to refer to me and millions of my fellow Americans like me is a leftist, America-hating, racist white person hating piece of filth as far as I'm concerned.

The reason we voated for Trump is because he promised to slam shut the southern border.  He's trying to do it, but the leftist enemies of liberty obstruct him at every turn.

As far as I'm concerned, we don't just need a wall, we need active machine gun nests every 100 yards or so to mow down these parasite third worlder inferiors before they even get close to our shiny new wall.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Oak on June 09, 2019, 04:18:43 PM
Why do you seem to think it the American taxpayer's responsibility and obligation to take care of these inferior third worlders?  As our great President has said, some countries are shithole countries.  Shit hole countries don't become shithole countries all by themselves.  They are made shithole countries by the shithole people that live in them.


Sorry.  Anyone who uses the term "Mericans" to refer to me and millions of my fellow Americans like me is a leftist, America-hating, racist white person hating piece of filth as far as I'm concerned.

The reason we voated for Trump is because he promised to slam shut the southern border.  He's trying to do it, but the leftist enemies of liberty obstruct him at every turn.

As far as I'm concerned, we don't just need a wall, we need active machine gun nests every 100 yards or so to mow down these parasite third worlder inferiors before they even get close to our shiny new wall.

100 years of American intervention has helped, a great deal, to make them shitholes.

Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Biggie Smiles on June 09, 2019, 04:20:11 PM
What the wall would look like if the democrats ever began thinking these illegals would begin voting republican

(https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Branco-If-Illegals-Voted-Republican.jpg)
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Oak on June 09, 2019, 04:22:53 PM
What the wall would look like if the democrats ever began thinking these illegals would begin voting republican

(https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Branco-If-Illegals-Voted-Republican.jpg)

Illegals don't vote and Trump's task force fell apart because they couldn't prove it.  Another GOP trope because 90% of Republicans are white.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Dovey on June 09, 2019, 04:23:41 PM
 I read that alot of them actually do vote red. I'm not sure the stats, I'd have to look. Probably is hard to really get a look at.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Oak on June 09, 2019, 04:26:47 PM
I read that alot of them actually do vote red. I'm not sure the stats, I'd have to look. Probably is hard to really get a look at.

Please don't conflate "illegal" with Hispanic or Latino.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Dovey on June 09, 2019, 04:29:41 PM
Please don't conflate "illegal" with Hispanic or Latino.

 I dont. Anyone who is in the country illegally is an illegal immigrant. They dont have to be Hispanic.

 It's a problem regardless of race. We do have alot of drug and human trafficking at the southern border. That's just facts.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Oak on June 09, 2019, 04:32:36 PM
I dont. Anyone who is in the country illegally is an illegal immigrant. They dont have to be Hispanic.

 It's a problem regardless of race. We do have alot of drug and human trafficking at the southern border. That's just facts.

I didn't say anything of the sort.  We were talking about voting if you look back a post or two.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Biggie Smiles on June 09, 2019, 04:36:40 PM
[img width= height= alt=1-D2909-E7-087-A-4043-9109-2-E8-B65-F2-DC28" border="0]https://i.ibb.co/bmnDF6t/1-D2909-E7-087-A-4043-9109-2-E8-B65-F2-DC28.jpg[/img]

This subject is all over the place. It’s ugly, misunderstood, and deadly. After living in this part of the world for the last 18 years, I can see the whys and why nots related to this subject. Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama, is Central America. The US does it’s best to prop up C.R. and Panama. C. R. has its tourism. Panama has the canal. Nicaragua seems to be on its own. Danial Ortega is a dictator, but seems to keep the country together, although it’s a poor country. The other 3 are beyond poor. Poverty breeds corruption. What has happened is that while these countries seem to have governments, they are controlled mostly by thugs. Directly and indirectly. Naturally the main culprit is the drugs that are bound to the first worlds of N.America and Europe. The amounts and the money it brings is staggering. Within these small poor countries there is only one given. Play ball or die. This always include any family member, and it’s a daily occurrence. Many feel that there are zero chances of anything changing. So what’s left? Flee the situation as many do.
     They end up at the US border. This is what desperate poor people do. What would anyone do to save what little they have, like family members? Of course most Mericans choose to ignore this messy situation. Way easier to simply blame the other guy. The Dems blame the Republicans. The Pres blames the Dems. The Pres has no leadership skills that might unite both sides. Part of the entire shit show.
     Is it insane for me to believe that NATO should intervene within these 3 countries? Isn’t NATO a private entity, funded by different countries? NATO was effective in the conflict in Yugoslavia, Palestine, in other Middle East countries? What else is left? Why couldn’t NATO step in? Start working with these governments. Arrest and try and imprison the thugs. Make it safe for any would be illegal immigrant who would much more remain in their countries and no go through the hardships for going north. The wall is an idiotic knee jerk reaction. Really makes me sad to see a Honduran pregnant woman, with a 5 year old in tow, who’s husband was murdered 3 weeks ago by thugs. Could NATO be the answer? Something needs to change. Hope this thread can remain neutral.
There are plenty of areas in our own country that can use assistance before our hearts begin to bleed for these people

Take for instance Baltimore.

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-53e36acc/turbine/bal-vacants-20140806/2048/2048x1363)

Or Detroit

(https://nextcity.org/images/made/Detroit_VacantLotFieldGuide_920_612_80.jpg)

How about New York
(http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/new-york-city/74991d1296509582-visually-most-decayed-street-south-bronx-23boscobelpl-undercliffavese.jpg)


How about California

(https://a.scpr.org/i/3e2e5653475051a07db73fd3122dd4ab/121730-full.jpg)


All of these areas are under democratically controlled leadership. Clearly demonstrating that they cannot clean up their own backyards let alone dictate how the remainder of the country should operate. If Nancy Pelosi's district were a pristine example of what a civilized society with heartwarming values looks like, I'd be right behind whatever she's saying. It's not. therefore she's full of shit

As a sovereign nation THIS is where we must begin before allowing these fleeing refugees asylum in our country
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Oak on June 09, 2019, 04:39:25 PM
There are plenty of areas in our own country that can use assistance before our hearts begin to bleed for these people

Take for instance Baltimore.

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-53e36acc/turbine/bal-vacants-20140806/2048/2048x1363)

Or Detroit

(https://nextcity.org/images/made/Detroit_VacantLotFieldGuide_920_612_80.jpg)

How about New York
(http://www.city-data.com/forum/attachments/new-york-city/74991d1296509582-visually-most-decayed-street-south-bronx-23boscobelpl-undercliffavese.jpg)


How about California

(https://a.scpr.org/i/3e2e5653475051a07db73fd3122dd4ab/121730-full.jpg)


All of these areas are under democratically controlled leadership. Clearly demonstrating that they cannot clean up their own backyards let alone dictate how the remainder of the country should operate. If Nancy Pelosi's district were a pristine example of what a civilized society with heartwarming values looks like, I'd be right behind whatever she's saying. It's not. therefore she's full of shit

As a sovereign nation THIS is where we must begin before allowing these fleeing refugees asylum in our country

How about the places in the country that rank at the bottom in education, health statistics, and economic well being?

West Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama, and so on and so forth

Entire states,  RED, not just communities that are economic nightmares.

FACT
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Dovey on June 09, 2019, 04:40:09 PM
 I can hop in my car, drive to Boogie Town and take pictures that would break your hearts.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Biggie Smiles on June 09, 2019, 04:43:36 PM
How about the places in the country that rank at the bottom in education, health statistics, and economic well being?

West Virginia, Mississippi, Alabama, and so on and so forth

Entire states,  RED, not just communities that are economic nightmares.

FACT
Agreed. All of these need to be addressed before any additional immigrants are allowed residency here
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Oak on June 09, 2019, 05:01:54 PM
Agreed. All of these need to be addressed before any additional immigrants are allowed residency here

But we don't address those things either.

I'm not saying Central Americans are a priority.  I'm saying Trump's strategy to divide America and talking about closing the border drew peope in before they "lose" their chance.

We need a "Marshall" type plan for Central America, ultimately cheaper than dealing with illegal immigration.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 09, 2019, 09:02:55 PM
100 years of American intervention has helped, a great deal, to make them shitholes.

Pfffft!   Countries are like neighborhoods, they are a reflection of the people who love in them.  Shithole neighborhoods are shithole neighborhoods because they are filled with shithole people.  Same thing with entire countries.  One need only look at failed states like Haiti, Zimbabwe, Nicaraugua, El Salvador, etc, etc ...

The condition of Haiti today isn't because of something the French did when they ran the place.  The condition of Zimbabwe today isn't because of something the "whites" did when they ran the place and Rhodesia had the highest GDP in all of Africa.  And while I might agree that the Spanish and Portuguese who ran all of the failed states to our south were inept and stupid, the condition of those countries today have nothing to do with anything the Spanish or Portuguese did when they ran the places, nor with anything the United States has done since the US effectively kicked Spain and Portugal out of the Western Hemisphere.

Shitholes are made by the shitholes who live there.

 ... Do we want these shitholes coming here?
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 09, 2019, 09:04:51 PM
Illegals don't vote ...

Come visit me in Aurora, Illinois next election day, Oakie.  I'lll SHOW you illegal alien criminals voating in their tens of thousands.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Oak on June 09, 2019, 09:06:16 PM
Pfffft!   Countries are like neighborhoods, they are a reflection of the people who love in them.  Shithole neighborhoods are shithole neighborhoods because they are filled with shithole people.  Same thing with entire countries.  One need only look at failed states like Haiti, Zimbabwe, Nicaraugua, El Salvador, etc, etc ...

The condition of Haiti today isn't because of something the French did when they ran the place.  The condition of Zimbabwe today isn't because of something the "whites" did when they ran the place and Rhodesia had the highest GDP in all of Africa.  And while I might agree that the Spanish and Portuguese who ran all of the failed states to our south were inept and stupid, the condition of those countries today have nothing to do with anything the Spanish or Portuguese did when they ran the places, nor with anything the United States has done since the US effectively kicked Spain and Portugal out of the Western Hemisphere.

Shitholes are made by the shitholes who live there.

 ... Do we want these shitholes coming here?

Brushstroke analysis.  My fav!
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Oak on June 09, 2019, 09:06:37 PM
Come visit me in Aurora, Illinois next election day, Oakie.  I'lll SHOW you illegal alien criminals voating in their tens of thousands.

How do you know for a fact that they're illegal aliens?
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 09, 2019, 09:07:34 PM
We need a "Marshall" type plan for Central America, ultimately cheaper than dealing with illegal immigration.

 ... so you think the American taxpayer has to pay for the failures of the nations to our south?

Fuck that!  I don't owe those shithole people anything!
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 09, 2019, 09:09:36 PM
Brushstroke analysis.  My fav!

My brush strokes are each and every one of them works of art in themselves.  Nothing I asserted in that post can be refuted, can it.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 09, 2019, 09:10:28 PM
How do you know for a fact that they're illegal aliens?

Because I KNOW many of them.  Some of them are my inlaws, sweetheart.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Oak on June 09, 2019, 09:12:59 PM
My brush strokes are each and every one of them works of art in themselves.  Nothing I asserted in that post can be refuted, can it.

Certainly, with a well written and thorough response that takes actual history into account. 

But, I'm not going to spend my time on a troll forum discussing the impacts of colonialism with those with closed minds.
It's a waste of my time. 
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Oak on June 09, 2019, 09:13:55 PM
Because I KNOW many of them.  Some of them are my inlaws, sweetheart.

Your in-laws have never naturalized and they vote?  Nice group of people.

And besides your in-laws how many do you know?
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 09, 2019, 09:21:39 PM
Certainly, with a well written and thorough response that takes actual history into account. 

But, I'm not going to spend my time on a troll forum discussing the impacts of colonialism with those with closed minds.
It's a waste of my time.

Surrender accepted.  Nothing in my post was historically inaccurate and I would easily shred your Zinnian "impacts of colonialism" argument in a matter of a few hundred well-chosen words.

Your in-laws have never naturalized and they vote?  Nice group of people.


That's Mexicans for you! :drink:
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Oak on June 09, 2019, 09:57:12 PM
Surrender accepted.  Nothing in my post was historically inaccurate and I would easily shred your Zinnian "impacts of colonialism" argument in a matter of a few hundred well-chosen words.

That's Mexicans for you! :drink:

No surrender to you broadstroke analysis.  Claiming victory is fanciful on a troll board.

As for your perception of "Mexicans" you're speaking anecdotally.   I don't consider that real or hard evidence.  Orange Dummy's illegal voting task force when to the shitter.

Why was that?
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 09, 2019, 11:11:05 PM
Orange Dummy's illegal voting task force when to the shitter.

Why was that?

You  fail to grasp why they call it the "Deep" State.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Oak on June 09, 2019, 11:35:04 PM
You  fail to grasp why they call it the "Deep" State.

 :crampe: :happy117:  :crampe:
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: No Okie on June 10, 2019, 08:43:02 AM
Why do you seem to think it the American taxpayer's responsibility and obligation to take care of these inferior third worlders?  As our great President has said, some countries are shithole countries.  Shit hole countries don't become shithole countries all by themselves.  They are made shithole countries by the shithole people that live in them
Sorry.  Anyone who uses the term "Mericans" to refer to me and millions of my fellow Americans like me is a leftist, America-hating, racist white person hating piece of filth as far as I'm concerned.

The reason we voated for Trump is because he promised to slam shut the southern border.  He's trying to do it, but the leftist enemies of liberty obstruct him at every turn.

As far as I'm concerned, we don't just need a wall, we need active machine gun nests every 100 yards or so to mow down these parasite third worlder inferiors before they even get close to our shiny new wall.


Good Morning.
1. The president is a blithering idiot
2. The Word Americans refers to 3 types. South Americans, Central Americans, North Americans. Most short sighted Mericans believe there is only one. North America includes Mexico, the United States and Canada. This was taught in public school. Duh.
3. My thoughts regarding NATO intervening within these 3 countries, would be to make them safer, so there wouldn’t be the need to flee to the US.
4. Regarding the machine gun nests. This tells me you’re a one way bigot.
5. If the US enforced it’s current labor laws, Mericans wouldn’t be so in love with cheap labor. Trump has used illegals at his resort properties for years.
6. This issue is impossible to oneway red necks who thoughts go one way.
7. I believe the incompetent Fool masquerading as the Pres. will have a brain aneurism before the wall begins. Ha.... a completion date? 2400 miles? A new shiny wall will never happen.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: No Okie on June 10, 2019, 08:47:48 AM
Come visit me in Aurora, Illinois next election day, Oakie.  I'lll SHOW you illegal alien criminals voating in their tens of thousands.

Voating? You posting that word says a lot. Pure BS. I grew up and lived in the state that Mexico owned until 1850. Sounds like you keep losing your job to harder working Latinos
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: No Okie on June 10, 2019, 08:49:13 AM
100 years of American intervention has helped, a great deal, to make them shitholes.


Not to mention the first worlds drug habits.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: No Okie on June 10, 2019, 09:00:06 AM
What the wall would look like if the democrats ever began thinking these illegals would begin voting republican

(https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Branco-If-Illegals-Voted-Republican.jpg)

Pretty sure you perceive yourself as an enlightened person. Blaming the Dems is dumb. Look, the Reps hates the Dems, and vice versa. This means zero is accomplished in government. It’s the Presidents job to bring the whole show together. Because he is incapable, the Merican shit show continues. I’ve posted lots of fixes for this problem. Still the popular option is to blow them up. If you are one of these people, I miss judged you.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 10, 2019, 12:00:28 PM

Good Morning.
1. The president is a blithering idiot


yeah, but he's President and you're not and neither is Hillary Clinton nor will she ever be.  Thank the gods! We totally dodged a bullet there, eh?  I'd much rather have a blithering idiot that loves America for President than en evil leftist cunt who hates America, wouldn't you?

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3. My thoughts regarding NATO ...

Are fucking stupid.  Read the treaty, dumb ass.

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6. This issue is impossible to oneway red necks who thoughts go one way.


This issue is easily solvable to those who love America and don't want it transformed into a third world shithole.  For one-way bigots such as yourself, the delusion you have that the American taxpayer obligated and responsible for these millions of shithole immigrants from failed shithole countries shows your envy and hatred for people (Americans) who are clearly your betters.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 10, 2019, 12:02:12 PM
Voating? You posting that word says a lot. Pure BS. I grew up and lived in the state that Mexico owned until 1850. Sounds like you keep losing your job to harder working Latinos

Well, it's a good thing for you Mexico lost that war then, huh?  Otherwise you'd be an inferior shithole from an inferior shithole country.  As it is, you're just an inferior shithole who is graced by God with American citizenship.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: No Okie on June 10, 2019, 01:39:49 PM
yeah, but he's President and you're not and neither is Hillary Clinton nor will she ever be.  Thank the gods! We totally dodged a bullet there, eh?  I'd much rather have a blithering idiot that loves America for President than en evil leftist cunt who hates America, wouldn't you?

Are fucking stupid.  Read the treaty, dumb ass.

This issue is easily solvable to those who love America and don't want it transformed into a third world shithole.  For one-way bigots such as yourself, the delusion you have that the American taxpayer obligated and responsible for these millions of shithole immigrants from failed shithole countries shows your envy and hatred for people (Americans) who are clearly your betters.

Which Americas?
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: No Okie on June 10, 2019, 01:41:03 PM
Well, it's a good thing for you Mexico lost that war then, huh?  Otherwise you'd be an inferior shithole from an inferior shithole country.  As it is, you're just an inferior shithole who is graced by God with American citizenship.

Having a US passport is a great thing. Living in a different country is better.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: No Okie on June 10, 2019, 01:49:30 PM
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/trumps-breakthrough-deal-mexico-turns-mirage

Looks like the great negotiator got snookered by Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador. Nothing new. Check it out. The link has photos which should make it easier for you. Sounding like you lost your job to a Latino.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: LotusBud on June 10, 2019, 01:53:33 PM
The thing is, it's crucial to look at the bigger picture.

First, the US creates poverty in countries where it goes to rape them of their natural resources.

Second, yes, there is great poverty in the US.  Also caused by these companies and the fact that we pour trillions into our military budget so multi-national corporations can exploit other countries in wars of aggression and ignore suffering in our own country because we "just can't afford it."  My ass.  If you're worried about your tax dollars, you should be screaming about all these wars of aggression, because that's where the bulk of your money is going.

BOTH issues need to be addressed, and of course, both are intertwined.

Ulitmately, though, imo, we have to have compassion for everyone.

As a side note: Portugal allows anyone from a country that was colonized by Portugal to emigrate to Portugal.  We don't call what we are doing in the world "colonization" because now it's being done by corporations rather than the government -- officially, anyway.  But if we allowed victims of the countries we exploit to come here, our population would be well over 1 billion by now.  Think about it.  Maybe we need to stop pillaging the world for the benefit of our corporate masters.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 10, 2019, 06:50:09 PM
The thing is, it's crucial to look at the bigger picture.

First, the US creates poverty in countries where it goes to rape them of their natural resources.


Link?  I hope you're not talking about bananas.

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Second, yes, there is great poverty in the US.  Also caused by these companies and the fact that we pour trillions into our military budget so multi-national corporations can exploit other countries in wars of aggression and ignore suffering in our own country because we "just can't afford it."  My ass.  If you're worried about your tax dollars, you should be screaming about all these wars of aggression, because that's where the bulk of your money is going.

So you have compassion for the millions of habitual welfare recipients and government "workers" at all levels and illegal alien criminal border-crashers, but none whatsoever for the millions of people who work in the Defense Industry.  I see. 

Very selective compassion you have there, Lotus.

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BOTH issues need to be addressed, and of course, both are intertwined.

Ulitmately, though, imo, we have to have compassion for everyone.



Except for your chosen objects of hate, like Defense workers and "cons," right?

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As a side note: Portugal allows anyone from a country that was colonized by Portugal to emigrate to Portugal.  We don't call what we are doing in the world "colonization" because now it's being done by corporations rather than the government -- officially, anyway.  But if we allowed victims of the countries we exploit to come here, our population would be well over 1 billion by now.  Think about it.  Maybe we need to stop pillaging the world for the benefit of our corporate masters.

So, basically it's all the fault of the "Muricans" you hate so much, huh?
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: LotusBud on June 10, 2019, 06:59:01 PM
Link?  I hope you're not talking about bananas.
That's funny.  Try oil, diamonds, and all the precious metals, including the ones that are used to build computers.

Oh, and runny-diarrhea for brains, I never suggested that CONs or defense workers should be treated the way you think undocumented immigrants should be treated.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 10, 2019, 08:03:22 PM
That's funny.  Try oil, diamonds, and all the precious metals, including the ones that are used to build computers.

Oh, and runny-diarrhea for brains, I never suggested that CONs or defense workers should be treated the way you think undocumented immigrants should be treated.

Please link me to any historical source where the United States invaded any shithole country and "stole" any oil, diamonds, precious metals, etc ...

As for your obvious hatred and lack of compassion for Defense industry "workers," you said this: 

"Also caused by these companies and the fact that we pour trillions into our military budget so multi-national corporations can exploit other countries in wars of aggression and ignore suffering in our own country because we "just can't afford it."

I've parsed that every which I can, but the only conclusion I can come to is that you hate the millions of Americans who work for enterprises that receive military contracts as well as further millions that work for "multi-national corporations" and think they should all be put out of work so we can feed more illegal alien criminals and street corner crack druggies who shit in the gutter.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: LotusBud on June 10, 2019, 08:40:59 PM
Please link me to any historical source where the United States invaded any shithole country and "stole" any oil, diamonds, precious metals, etc ...

As for your obvious hatred and lack of compassion for Defense industry "workers," you said this: 

"Also caused by these companies and the fact that we pour trillions into our military budget so multi-national corporations can exploit other countries in wars of aggression and ignore suffering in our own country because we "just can't afford it."

I've parsed that every which I can, but the only conclusion I can come to is that you hate the millions of Americans who work for enterprises that receive military contracts as well as further millions that work for "multi-national corporations" and think they should all be put out of work so we can feed more illegal alien criminals and street corner crack druggies who shit in the gutter.

I have no objection to anyone working in defense finding a more positive way of making a living.  I never suggested any of them should be punished.  And the people who are becoming billionaires in those multinational corporations?  They need to take less, give their employees more, and stop stealing shit from undeveloped countries.  They won't die if they only make a million a year, you corporate tool.  No matter how your pea brain parses what I said, you can never honestly say I suggested any of those people should go hungry so that we can feed the undocumented.

You have to be a bigger tool than I thought if you don't understand why we invaded Iraq, murdered their ruler, and are currently bombing 7 middle eastern countries.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 10, 2019, 10:08:25 PM
I have no objection to anyone working in defense finding a more positive way of making a living.  I never suggested any of them should be punished.  And the people who are becoming billionaires in those multinational corporations?  They need to take less, give their employees more, and stop stealing shit from undeveloped countries.  They won't die if they only make a million a year, you corporate tool.  No matter how your pea brain parses what I said, you can never honestly say I suggested any of those people should go hungry so that we can feed the undocumented.

You have to be a bigger tool than I thought if you don't understand why we invaded Iraq, murdered their ruler, and are currently bombing 7 middle eastern countries.

You have "no objection to anyone working in defense finding a more positive way of making a living. "

So you do want them fired so we can feed more negroes and illegal alien criminals.  I knew it!

Please post a link that documents where and how any shit was "stolen from undeveloped (shithole) countries?"  Thanks in advance.

As for your last point, to put a military footprint on the ground, retrieve certain artifacts from the vicinity of Ur and to cull the feral subhuman muslim jihadis.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: No Okie on June 11, 2019, 09:05:42 AM
You have "no objection to anyone working in defense finding a more positive way of making a living. "

So you do want them fired so we can feed more negroes and illegal alien criminals.  I knew it!

Please post a link that documents where and how any shit was "stolen from undeveloped (shithole) countries?"  Thanks in advance.

As for your last point, to put a military footprint on the ground, retrieve certain artifacts from the vicinity of Ur and to cull the feral subhuman muslim jihadis.

It’s difficult to argue with a oneway fool. If you really read my original post, it mostly had to do with solving the problem on Central American turf. Please keep VOATING your heart.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: No Okie on June 11, 2019, 09:12:42 AM
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This subject is all over the place. It’s ugly, misunderstood, and deadly. After living in this part of the world for the last 18 years, I can see the whys and why nots related to this subject. Honduras, El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, and Panama, is Central America. The US does it’s best to prop up C.R. and Panama. C. R. has its tourism. Panama has the canal. Nicaragua seems to be on its own. Danial Ortega is a dictator, but seems to keep the country together, although it’s a poor country. The other 3 are beyond poor. Poverty breeds corruption. What has happened is that while these countries seem to have governments, they are controlled mostly by thugs. Directly and indirectly. Naturally the main culprit is the drugs that are bound to the first worlds of N.America and Europe. The amounts and the money it brings is staggering. Within these small poor countries there is only one given. Play ball or die. This always include any family member, and it’s a daily occurrence. Many feel that there are zero chances of anything changing. So what’s left? Flee the situation as many do.
     They end up at the US border. This is what desperate poor people do. What would anyone do to save what little they have, like family members? Of course most Mericans choose to ignore this messy situation. Way easier to simply blame the other guy. The Dems blame the Republicans. The Pres blames the Dems. The Pres has no leadership skills that might unite both sides. Part of the entire shit show.
     Is it insane for me to believe that NATO should intervene within these 3 countries? Isn’t NATO a private entity, funded by different countries? NATO was effective in the conflict in Yugoslavia, Palestine, in other Middle East countries? What else is left? Why couldn’t NATO step in? Start working with these governments. Arrest and try and imprison the thugs. Make it safe for any would be illegal immigrant who would much more remain in their countries and no go through the hardships for going north. The wall is an idiotic knee jerk reaction. Really makes me sad to see a Honduran pregnant woman, with a 5 year old in tow, who’s husband was murdered 3 weeks ago by thugs. Could NATO be the answer? Something needs to change. Hope this thread can remain neutral.

Typical that few read my original post. Is it not clear that my proposals kept the wouldbe illegals at home along with the criminals who would end up in jail in their home countries? Way easier not to read or  understand and to go off on some typical meaningless rant. Fuck ignorance
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: LotusBud on June 11, 2019, 03:12:46 PM
It’s difficult to argue with a oneway fool. If you really read my original post, it mostly had to do with solving the problem on Central American turf. Please keep VOATING your heart.

It's the Sean Hannity School of Debate.  Just keep saying the same illogical bullshit over and over, then claim a "win" because you were the loudest and most illogical.  That's what rightie trolls do, and they think it's clever.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: No Okie on June 11, 2019, 05:35:53 PM
It's the Sean Hannity School of Debate.  Just keep saying the same illogical bullshit over and over, then claim a "win" because you were the loudest and most illogical.  That's what rightie trolls do, and they think it's clever.

Bingo
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 11, 2019, 07:44:23 PM
It’s difficult to argue with a oneway fool. If you really read my original post, it mostly had to do with solving the problem on Central American turf. Please keep VOATING your heart.

Riiiight ... like I'm supposed to take one of Oakie's Trophy Alts seriously.

The "problem" is easily solved by slamming shut our southern border and completely halting the flow of third world indigent inferiors into our nation.  What happens in Central America isn't my problem as an American Taxpayer.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 11, 2019, 07:46:41 PM
It's the Sean Hannity School of Debate.  Just keep saying the same illogical bullshit over and over, then claim a "win" because you were the loudest and most illogical.  That's what rightie trolls do, and they think it's clever.

I read the little pansy's post.  It seems to think the United States should get NATO to intervene and then for the American taxpayer to pony up all kinds of dough to "solve" the inherent problems of the failed shithole countries to our south.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Oak on June 11, 2019, 07:55:09 PM
Riiiight ... like I'm supposed to take one of Oakie's Trophy Alts seriously.



That's not me, FFS. 
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 11, 2019, 07:58:48 PM
That's not me, FFS.

Er, sorry.  I meant someone who made an ID as a Trophy for you.  Claim it girl!

 ... I think it's actually Lotus, myself.  Syntax and style is very similar.  Just sayin' ...
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Oak on June 11, 2019, 07:59:57 PM
Er, sorry.  I meant someone who made an ID as a Trophy for you.  Claim it girl!

 ... I think it's actually Lotus, myself.  Syntax and style is very similar.  Just sayin' ...

There's a lot of that crap going around, for years now.   I actually don't get it.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Biggie Smiles on June 11, 2019, 08:01:08 PM
Er, sorry.  I meant someone who made an ID as a Trophy for you.  Claim it girl!

 ... I think it's actually Lotus, myself.  Syntax and style is very similar.  Just sayin' ...
Its not.

He goes by the name Sea Major elsewhere
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 11, 2019, 08:03:40 PM
Its not.

He goes by the name Sea Major elsewhere

Well, he's as stupid as our Lotus, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Biggie Smiles on June 11, 2019, 08:05:53 PM
Well, he's as stupid as our Lotus, that's for sure.
They drink the same Koolaid out of the same pitcher so that's not all that surprising
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: No Okie on June 12, 2019, 11:38:14 AM
Well, he's as stupid as our Lotus, that's for sure.

Have you ever ventured outside of Detroit?
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: LotusBud on June 12, 2019, 06:54:28 PM
Er, sorry.  I meant someone who made an ID as a Trophy for you.  Claim it girl!

 ... I think it's actually Lotus, myself.  Syntax and style is very similar.  Just sayin' ...

OMG.  What a tool.
Title: Re: Central America, immigration and the wall.
Post by: Rennel_Feldswipe on June 12, 2019, 09:09:48 PM
Have you ever ventured outside of Detroit?

I live in Chicagoland.  Almost as bad, but not a total basket case yet.