Re: MAN CRUSH - Freddy Mercury

[lokmar]

I cried towards the end when his father finally accepted who he was and embraced him.

And this is exactly why I'm so sickened by gays. If I murdered someone, my family would disown me. If I kidnapped for ransom, the same. If I left my wife and kids for a younger woman, my rep would never recover even if I werent disowned. If I decided to put man ass on my menu, if my family didnt accept it, THEY would be ostracized by society. The true evil of homosexuality is that saying "whats wrong with loving people" is a huge lever used to decapitate morality. I dont say this lightly: Homosexuality is more evil than murder!

[lokmar]

Taking dick in the ass for 60 years = a lifetime in hell. Fuk sakes, hows that worth it? Worse, now the father is stained by the son's evil. THIS is why God says bash their brains in. Its for the best.  As much as I hate islam, at least the fuckers do one thing right.

Now you mark my words, as "Christianity" castrates itself, islam will continue to condemn faggits which will attract people who cannot, out of common sense, accept faggotry. This in turn will gather more souls to hell. Liberalism serves at satans left side while islam serves his right.

[lokmar]

  There were those in the early church who had repented of homosexuality and followed Christ.  Today, there are same sex attracted followers of Christ who repent and are redeemed.  There are so many testimonies of Christ freeing people from sexual sin strong holds.

Yep. In all honesty, praise God for that. However, that doesnt mean tolerate practicing gays in church, accepting their lifestyle. My childhood dream was being a hitman. Prolly not a good idea to allow people like that to be tolerated in a church.

[lokmar]

We give them the gospel, call them to repentance, love our neighbors as ourselves, and pray that God shows the grace and mercy that He has shown us. Sexual sin is NOT an easy thing to deal with and we all struggle with it. I cant think of a better place for any sinner than in a good, solid biblical church that points to Christ and glorifies Him. Pray about that murder in your heart(saying this in love), remember what God said to Cain..."sin is crouching at your door".  We are called to love our neighbors as ourselves, and it's not love to support sin. That's hate.

Yep, and I rejected that. if I hadnt, I'd need tossed out. Church is to pastor those seeking help. Once someones decided to try to make the church conform to their lifestyle, they should be cut off.

[lokmar]

I appreciate not "binning" this bone!  TY.

[lokmar]

Lok, my man, you gotta reject the slaughter of the unborn at every stage as well. God hates the hands that shed innocent blood. Remember Christ taught to love our neighbor as ourselves, that whatever is done to the least of these is done to Him. You cannot condone murder of the most vulnerable of humanity.  Just read how child sacrifice was dealt with. Dont condone giving the spirit of molech an offering and stand up for those being led to slaughter. Stand up for what's righteous and good in the eyes of God and defend His image bearers. Dont support thier brutal slaughter and the affront to the beauty of life and motherhood. Love them as yourself.

I've already stated your position is morally superior. I totally agree with your position even though mine is different. Maybe I'm the guy who refused to cut down all the ashera poles? However, I see it as pragmatic. Get rid of the heinous shit FIRST!. Again, I'll never deny you are right.

NEVER!

[lokmar]

  You have to see it how God sees it. The shed blood of the least of these, crying out to Him for justice. This is as heinous as it gets, Lok, and this nation will be judged by it.  My plea to you, not as a troll, or flamer, or whatever but as a servant of Christ, is to deny yourself and reject the murder of the least of these, and love them as yourself.  Keep in mind, it was Christian abolitionists, radical followers of Christ who pushed us into abolishing slavery .. and laid the foundation for civil rights and feminism(the real kind that accomplished good things, they were anti abortion as well).  Love what God loves, hate what God hates.  Dont be in opposition to Christ.

What can I say against you?  Nothing. I hope you can at least see where I'm coming from. I dont believe you're going to drag the abortion people over the goal line all at once.

[lokmar]

  I dont need to. None of us abolitionists and pro lifers need to.  When slavery was banned, the banning was passionately opposed. It's about what's right, not what's easier! We CAN change the narrative.  As followers of Christ we are especially obligated to stand on truth for what is right and to speak out against injustice. Scripture says the gates of hell cannot prevail against His church.  Christ Himself said what we do not do for the least of these we have not done for Him.  No where are we told to compromise with the world. We are told to do what's right and to have faith. The battle is ordained.  Are you with Him? Or the world? Dont compromise Lok! Repent and believe the Word and God and love these little ones and these mothers!

At the risk of sounding like I'm justifying my position, I also think the ultimate goal is to restore the idea of sex within marriage. If that were to be the moral standard again of society, we wouldnt be having this discussion.

However, we absolutely have to start executing late term abortionists and I would vote to acquit anyone who "murdered" someone who was doing them like the dude who shot the abortion doctor in church.

Seriously, WTF kind of church allows an abortion doc PERIOD in their church?

[lokmar]

  People are always going to fornicate. That is a sin, yes. But when it comes to abortion, that is slaughter of the most vulnerable of humanity.  We need to speak for those who cannot speak for themselves and a nation soaked with the shed blood of innocent image bearers....I mean, look at how God dealt with child sacrifice. That same spirit of child sacrifice is alive and well in America.  From the moment of conception, that is a unique, living, seperate image bearer of God, the same little human throughout his/her entire life. We cant decide some humans can killed and some protected based on OUR standards, like thier age and location.   I'm not sure what that abortionist was doing in church. Hopefully he was repenting.  Or it was a wicked "choice affirming" church....which is permitted to exist because of lukewarm religion following themselves rather than God.  I do not condone violence against abortionists. I do advocate for justice for the defenseless human beings they brutally destroy.  Proverbs 31 says "Open your mouth for the speechless,
In the cause of all who are appointed to die.
9 Open your mouth, judge righteously,
And plead the cause of the poor and needy."   Also, Proverbs 24 says " If you faint in the day of adversity,
Your strength is small.

11 Deliver those who are drawn toward death,
And hold back those stumbling to the slaughter.
12 If you say, “Surely we did not know this,”
Does not He who weighs the hearts consider it?
He who keeps your soul, does He not know it?
And will He not render to each man according to his deeds?"  Words to really pray on, Lok.

Being in church while aborting children isnt repenting. Its shouldnt be tolerated in any shape or form. The place for that person is OUTSIDE of church until they quit murdering kids.

[lokmar]

Theologically Islam has several heretical aspects, but in practice it is much better these days than Christianity.  What you have to remember is that the revelation of Islam was sent to the most barbarous nation on the planet.  It would not surprise me if they thus got some of it wrong, particularly the sophisticated theological issues that the Romans had already spent several centuries working out.

Its very basic and black and white in nature. I believe thats what will make it more and more attractive in the future.

[lokmar]

We really dont know why he was there or if the Lord was doing a work in him.

Its extremely clear from the letters from the Apostles AND Christ Himself that toleration of those who were against Gods Word were to be tossed out of the church. I could cite examples throughout the NT.

[lokmar]

Here Lok.  Read these. Is this something you want to support and allow? Or would you rather stand on Christ and work in opposition to the culture of death with men and women of God? “They [the women] are never allowed to look at the ultrasound because we knew that if they so much as heard the heart beat, they wouldn’t want to have an abortion.”
– Dr. Randall, former abortionist
 ‘Pro-Choice 1990: Skeletons in the Closet” by David Kuperlain and Mark Masters in Oct. “New Dimensions” magazine.

“Even now I feel a little peculiar about it, because as a physician I was trained to conserve life, and here I am destroying it.”
– Dr. Benjamin Kalish, abortionist

“You have to become a bit schizophrenic. In one room, you encourage the patient that the slight irregularity in the fetal heart is not important, that she is going to have a fine, healthy baby. Then, in the next room you assure another woman, on whom you just did a saline abortion, that it is a good thing that the heartbeat is already irregular… she has nothing to worry about, she will NOT have a live baby… All of a sudden one noticed that at the time of the saline infusion there was a lot of activity in the uterus. That’s not fluid currents. That’s obviously the fetus being distressed by swallowing the concentrated salt solution and kicking violently and that’s to all intents and purposes, the death trauma… somebody has to do it, and unfortunately we are the executioners in this instance[.]”
– Dr. John Szenes, abortionist
Via EWTN.com: Magda Denes. “Performing Abortions.” Commentary Magazine, October 1976, pages 33 to 37. A truly frightening and profoundly sickening article by a doctor who observes and describes in graphic detail a number of saline abortions and their results. She acknowledges that abortion is killing, but a type of “necessary” killing. Also see the “Letters” sections in the December 1976 and February 1977 issues of Commentary Magazine.

“Telling those women their fetuses feel pain is heaping torment upon torment. These women have real pain. They did not come to this decision easily. Creating another barrier for them to get the medical care they need is really unfair.”
– Abortionist Dave Turok

You are presenting me something I already agree with you about. There is nothing on the subject for me to argue against.

[lokmar]

Exactly.  But I think that Christianity's sophistication is in part what has allowed the left to subvert it so easily.  It needs a strong institutional church to keep the mob in line.  Islam somehow has been able to dispense with that.

Yea, cause its practitioners havent been castrated by thew head imam declaring capital punishment evil. Thats a big reason for Christianity becoming morally bankrupt!
 

[lokmar]

Lok we dont know if the Lord was changing him. Yes, if a professed Christian, member of the church is staying in sin that is how its handled but lost sinners should not be prevented from hearing the message. You know there are former abortionists who also now are "antis"? Christian's now even? Look at Norma Mcorvey(Roe of Roe vs Wade). She fought against abortion until the day she died.

Dont care. Jesus and the Apostles are clear. These people are NOT to be in the church. I know of a fag that was tolerated in my church. Sure, everyone thought he could be saved. He preyed on a kid. One of the more moral people I've known for 35 years nearly beat the shit outta the fag and threw him out. Good for him! Maybe if the guy would have let the fag lead 5 more kids down fag road, the fag could have been converted. You're just plain wrong on this.  I'm capable of admitting when I'm scripturally wrong. This aint one of those times.

[lokmar]

Here Lok, read this. Mostly the first part about human development at the embryonic stage(first trimester ends at 13 weeks)
 https://www.justfacts.com/abortion.asp

You aint telling me anything I dont agree with.

[lokmar]

  So should we kick every non Christian sinner out of the church? You are referring to members of the church who are blatantly and knowingly sinning and refusing to respond to calls for repentance.  Which yes, I agree with that.. but we are not told to turn away the lost, we are told to make disciples of them. I'm not advocating for support of sin. I'm saying you dont know if that man was there because the Lord was drawing him. Christ died for sinners while they were still in thier sin, the great commission doesn't tell us to preach ONLY to the saved. That man could have shown up that day because he was turning to Christ and repenting of of his deeds. We dont know.  Also there have been plenty of straight men, some "pastors" even, who have sexually assaulted children and teens in churches. That's not exclusive to homosexuals. Anyone doing that needs to be brought to justice- no sins should be supported by the body of Christ. That's why I'm on you with this first trimester abortion thing.

We should absolutely throw every person out of the church who leads their lives in the manner described By Christ and the Apostles in the New Testament when they COMMANDED  the church elders to throw these people out. EVERY ONE!

[lokmar]

You are not listening. Yes Lok that applies to believers who are members of the church.  That does not apply to visitors who are not members who are seeking Christ and need to be sitting under the gospel. You hear what I'm saying?  Jesus said "Come to Me all ye who are weary and heavy laden and I shall give you rest".  We should never prevent anyone from coming to Christ.

There's the rub. You let em in and then start moving the goal post for "how do we know if they wont be saved tomorrow". I'm telling you, allowing an active faggit who isnt ready to RIGHT NOW reject their evil is no different than allowing a mafia hitman who just got off another days work of whacking people or an abortion doctor who sucked out a fetus that morning. Those scumbags can and should be mentored OUTSIDE the church and ONLY when they are ready to walk away from that life, do you let em in. And the instant you hear of that person shacked up with another dude, murdering another person, or aborting more kids, you cut the bastards off and toss em in the trash!

[lokmar]

  Lok they shouldn't be members of the church but it's in opposition of Christ to prevent the lost from going to Him, that means as the body of Christ we must welcome anyone who desires to hear the message. Making them members is another thing entirely. You have to confess faith in Christ and be baptized. We are told to minister to the lost and love our neighbor as ourselves.  Keep in mind the church isn't a building, the church is the body of Christ, the redeemed in Christ.  You have to reborn to be part of it.  It's not the building. Kicking lost sinners out of a building where the gospel is preached is working against the kingdom of Christ. And also in the eyes of God ALL sin is detestable. Not just some sins.  You realize Christ instructed us to spread the gospel and make disciples, to aid the needy, to even visit prisons?  The apostle Paul was slaughtering the early church. Should they have booted him?  If you have unregenerate sinners who are reprobate yes they need to be cut off.  But we cant just turn someone away at the door because they are sinners.  Again we do not know why this man was in church, you dont know if he went there in repentance. You dont know if he was reaching out to Christ.  Do you know how many former abortionists left that and now advocate against abortion?  God is a God of grace and mercy, and we should be VERY glad He is because not a single one of us meet His holy standard.  If you belong to Him it's because He had mercy on you. And He commands us to show that mercy and grace to others.  Do you watch porn, Lok? If so you are committing adultry and should be cast out by your own standards. Compromising with the world and condoning slaughter at the first trimester is a sin.  Again I'm not condoning unrepentant sin at all.  Unchecked sin the body of Christ is a problem, however we need to be harder on ourselves than we are on the world. 

Nope. You read the letters to the churches again for yourself. Its simple and very clear. They are not to be brought in and if they are tolerated inside the church, Christ Himself will cut em off. BTW, if your preacher raises kids that are fuck ups, you need to toss his ass out of the leadership position too.

[lokmar]

36 Then one of the Pharisees asked Him to eat with him. And He went to the Pharisee’s house, and sat down to eat. 37 And behold, a woman in the city who was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at the table in the Pharisee’s house, brought an alabaster flask of fragrant oil, 38 and stood at His feet behind Him weeping; and she began to wash His feet with her tears, and wiped them with the hair of her head; and she kissed His feet and anointed them with the fragrant oil. 39 Now when the Pharisee who had invited Him saw this, he spoke to himself, saying, “This Man, if He were a prophet, would know who and what manner of woman this is who is touching Him, for she is a sinner.”

40 And Jesus answered and said to him, “Simon, I have something to say to you.”

So he said, “Teacher, say it.”

41 “There was a certain creditor who had two debtors. One owed five hundred denarii, and the other fifty. 42 And when they had nothing with which to repay, he freely forgave them both. Tell Me, therefore, which of them will love him more?”

43 Simon answered and said, “I suppose the one whom he forgave more.”

And He said to him, “You have rightly judged.” 44 Then He turned to the woman and said to Simon, “Do you see this woman? I entered your house; you gave Me no water for My feet, but she has washed My feet with her tears and wiped them with the hair of her head. 45 You gave Me no kiss, but this woman has not ceased to kiss My feet since the time I came in. 46 You did not anoint My head with oil, but this woman has anointed My feet with fragrant oil. 47 Therefore I say to you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven, for she loved much. But to whom little is forgiven, the same loves little.”

48 Then He said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”

49 And those who sat at the table with Him began to say to themselves, “Who is this who even forgives sins?”

50 Then He said to the woman, “Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.”  Luke 7.  Who are you in this scene? The pharisee or the skank?

Your example supports what I am saying. Note how she was ready to repent and cast aside her life of sin. Personally, I'd still keep an eye on her. If she's going to church on Sunday and turning tricks on Monday, giver her the boot! Jesus said so!

[lokmar]

I sure hope you guys are aware of the distinction between the Gospels which offer a narrative about how Jesus practiced HIS religion, and the epistles which show Paul trying to gin up HIS religion ABOUT Jesus.

Also of course there is a lot of semi-credible scholarship suggesting that Paul was a closeted fagit, though probably a repentant one.  He sure as hell wasn't "healed" though.

I've heard all the Paul/Saul wedge related issues. Simple thing is, you either accept the New Testament or you dont. Picking the gospels from the rest and you may as well reject it all. I accept it all.

As far as air claims of "faggit", I heard abe lincoln was one, Jesus was one, I'm one, YUO're one, etc, etc, etc. I've called johnny faggit dozens of times and I'm semi credible +++!