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Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« on: April 12, 2019, 03:50:12 PM »
You may not be able to understand this, Mr Kind of Full of BS, but here it is, anyway (from the article Peaches posted elsewhere)

Thoughtful observers should suspect any historical narrative that paints the world in black and white. In Thinking, Fast and Slow (2011), the Nobel-prize-winning psychologist Daniel Kahneman warns of predictable cognitive flaws that inhibit our ability to think rationally, including something called ‘the halo effect’:

The halo effect helps keep explanatory narratives simple and coherent by exaggerating the consistency of evaluations: good people do only good things and bad people are all bad … Inconsistencies reduce the ease of our thoughts and the clarity of our feelings.

Since nuance in the story of 20th-century communism might ‘reduce the ease of our thoughts and the clarity of our feelings’, anti-communists will attack, dismiss or discredit any archival findings, interviews or survey results recalling Eastern Bloc achievements in science, culture, education, health care or women’s rights. They were bad people, and everything they did must be bad; we invert the ‘halo’ terminology and call this the ‘pitchfork effect’. Those offering a more nuanced narrative than one of unending totalitarian terror are dismissed as apologists or useful idiots. Contemporary intellectual opposition to the idea that ‘bad people are all bad’ elicits outrage and an immediate accusation that you are no better than those out to rob us of our ‘God-given rights’.

In 1984, the anthropologist Clifford Geertz wrote that you could be ‘anti anti-communism’ without being in favour of communism:

Those of us who strenuously opposed the obsession, as we saw it, with the Red Menace were thus denominated by those who … regarded the Menace as the primary fact of contemporary political life, with the insinuation – wildly incorrect in the vast majority of cases – that, by the law of the double negative, we had some secret affection for the Soviet Union.

https://aeon.co/essays/the-merits-of-taking-an-anti-anti-communism-stance
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2019, 03:52:52 PM »
Good cover story, comrade  :bounce2:
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2019, 03:58:22 PM »
Good cover story, comrade  :bounce2:

Are you saying you read and understood it?
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2019, 04:01:06 PM »
Come the revolution we will eat the rich!
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2019, 04:02:00 PM »
Since nuance in the story of 20th-century communism might ‘reduce the ease of our thoughts and the clarity of our feelings’, anti-communists will attack, dismiss or discredit any archival findings, interviews or survey results recalling Eastern Bloc achievements in science, culture, education, health care or women’s rights. They were bad people, and everything they did must be bad; we invert the ‘halo’ terminology and call this the ‘pitchfork effect’. Those offering a more nuanced narrative than one of unending totalitarian terror are dismissed as apologists or useful idiots. Contemporary intellectual opposition to the idea that ‘bad people are all bad’ elicits outrage and an immediate accusation that you are no better than those out to rob us of our ‘God-given rights’.

This is exactly what you maroons did to Bernie when you went after him for praising a school program.
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2019, 04:12:07 PM »
Damn maroons... always getting lost or fucking up colour schemes...
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2019, 04:22:00 PM »

SOUNDS LIKE A BIG FAT COMMIE RAT

 
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2019, 04:25:13 PM »
This is exactly what you maroons did to Bernie when you went after him for praising a school program.
You mean to tell me it would be prudent and honor worthy to perhaps do something like look at the totality and context of what's being said?

Is that the moral high ground you wish to pontificate from and have us all aspire to?

Odd.

You know, considering the following

You know, he was a national socialist, but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine

My my, now where have we seen that... and was there unjustified backlash? one wonders?  :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2019, 04:35:26 PM »
You mean to tell me it would be prudent and honor worthy to perhaps do something like look at the totality and context of what's being said?

Is that the moral high ground you wish to pontificate from and have us all aspire to?

Odd.

You know, considering the following

You know, he was a national socialist, but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine

My my, now where have we seen that... and was there unjustified backlash? one wonders?  :popcorn: :popcorn:

Tell me the good part, pretty please.  Why would anyone go there at all?!
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2019, 04:38:08 PM »
Tell me the good part, pretty please.  Why would anyone go there at all?!
Where? The moral high ground LeftistBum is attempting to pontificate from Or the Venezuela she is attempting to bring here?
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2019, 05:52:06 PM »
You mean to tell me it would be prudent and honor worthy to perhaps do something like look at the totality and context of what's being said?

Is that the moral high ground you wish to pontificate from and have us all aspire to?

Odd.

You know, considering the following

You know, he was a national socialist, but if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, OK, fine

My my, now where have we seen that... and was there unjustified backlash? one wonders?  :popcorn: :popcorn:

I both read and listened to the entirety of Owens' comment.  She was saying his nationalist agenda, which included purifying the population and making it strictly German (you know, death camps), was fine, it was his globalism she objected to.  Owens is a complete jerk, and so are you for defending her and trying to make it seem as though she said something other than what she actually said, in the totality of her comment.
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2019, 05:53:25 PM »
And suggesting that I am trying to bring Venezuela here is further proof that you did not read the article or you did not understand it.  Or you're just willfully stupid.
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2019, 06:16:02 PM »
here it is

I agree with Lotus insofar as the OP goes.  But that's not going to help much.

I can tell Lotus that Biggie is the kind of troll who likes to troll posts intended for rational discussion.  And once he sees a victim's knees buckle -- or even quiver a little -- he will be relentless in pursuing the troll WITHOUT ANY REGARD for its internal logic or even the veracity of its claims.

He's also the kind of unprincipled admin who thinks NOTHING of trolling his own forum or its members, and could care less if they end up rage-quitting the forum....EVEN WHEN he knows and acknowledges them as valuable, contributing posters.

No one who's not seen this "relentless" thing in operation can fully appreciate how tiring it is. 

Lotus's best strategy in this situation is to take my free advice, available to anyone, about how to deal with Biggie -- knowing that it will (at best) lead only to an armed standoff that might last for literally years of enmity.

Since this thread is en route to the flame board, I'll go ahead and divulge my trade secrets here.

First, abandon the CONTENT of the dispute at hand -- in this case communism, and let him bloviate as and how he likes.  Using the occasional emoji to scoff at those posts is more than sufficient.

Second, pick some trollable self-disclosure he's made (such as his being a gym rat who has used illegal steroids for body building purposes) and start drawing mental pictures about where this will take him physically and mentally, down the road.  The pictures don't need to be factual except in a basic way; they only need to be lurid, decrepit, pitiful, and vaguely believable. 

Third, start putting the troll into words (did I say LURID?) and memes, and use your own writing abilities freely.  The key word here will be the hashtag word or the new nickname you aim to saddle him with.

Fourth, be very persistent and as close to remorseless as you can find it in your heart to be.  Bear in mind that the fruit of your work will not come overnight, so just be content with the satisfaction of seeing other posters begin to refer to him with the nickname YOU have hung around his neck.

And finally, disabuse yourself of the ridiculous notion that tap dancing on the NEG button with an eye on the karma clock is of any avail.  Rather, it's a completely futile move that just makes one look like a n00b.

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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2019, 06:40:09 PM »
Dear God,

hurry up and kill all politicians and their wretched supporters...

tyia.

Amen.
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2019, 07:01:55 PM »
You may not be able to understand this, Mr Kind of Full of BS, but here it is, anyway (from the article Peaches posted elsewhere)

Thoughtful observers should suspect any historical narrative that paints the world in black and white. In Thinking, Fast and Slow (2011), the Nobel-prize-winning psychologist Daniel Kahneman warns of predictable cognitive flaws that inhibit our ability to think rationally, including something called ‘the halo effect’:

The halo effect helps keep explanatory narratives simple and coherent by exaggerating the consistency of evaluations: good people do only good things and bad people are all bad … Inconsistencies reduce the ease of our thoughts and the clarity of our feelings.

Since nuance in the story of 20th-century communism might ‘reduce the ease of our thoughts and the clarity of our feelings’, anti-communists will attack, dismiss or discredit any archival findings, interviews or survey results recalling Eastern Bloc achievements in science, culture, education, health care or women’s rights. They were bad people, and everything they did must be bad; we invert the ‘halo’ terminology and call this the ‘pitchfork effect’. Those offering a more nuanced narrative than one of unending totalitarian terror are dismissed as apologists or useful idiots. Contemporary intellectual opposition to the idea that ‘bad people are all bad’ elicits outrage and an immediate accusation that you are no better than those out to rob us of our ‘God-given rights’.

In 1984, the anthropologist Clifford Geertz wrote that you could be ‘anti anti-communism’ without being in favour of communism:

Those of us who strenuously opposed the obsession, as we saw it, with the Red Menace were thus denominated by those who … regarded the Menace as the primary fact of contemporary political life, with the insinuation – wildly incorrect in the vast majority of cases – that, by the law of the double negative, we had some secret affection for the Soviet Union.

https://aeon.co/essays/the-merits-of-taking-an-anti-anti-communism-stance

C00L story bro!
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2019, 07:55:15 PM »
He's also the kind of unprincipled admin who thinks NOTHING of trolling his own forum or its members, and could care less if they end up rage-quitting the forum....EVEN WHEN he knows and acknowledges them as valuable, contributing posters.
"COULDN'T care less."  SMH

And I'll find my own way to deal with his Faux News style.  Never fear.

Clearly he wouldn't be very active without me here.

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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2019, 08:02:21 PM »


And finally, disabuse yourself of the ridiculous notion that tap dancing on the NEG button with an eye on the karma clock is of any avail.  Rather, it's a completely futile move that just makes one look like a n00b.
She's not going to take your very entertaining advise. Guaranteed

Whenever the whim strikes me I'll continue to sit her on my left knee, shove my hand straight up her ass and make her talk back like the angry puppet I want her to be for my own amusement.

We both know this  :thumbup2:
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2019, 08:03:12 PM »
"COULDN'T care less."  SMH

And I'll find my own way to deal with his Faux News style.  Never fear.

Clearly he wouldn't be very active without me here.

Shit, I feel like some spirit inspired prophet right now  :crampe:
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2019, 08:35:08 PM »
Whenever the whim strikes me I'll continue to sit her on my left knee, shove my hand straight up her ass and make her talk back like the angry puppet I want her to be for my own amusement.
And yet you are the one who writes a book back to me every time I post.  Who's moar pwned?
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Re: Why the "Lotus is a Communist" troll is dumb as fuck
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