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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2019, 01:45:33 PM »
Oh boy. But I bet you'd be the same person jumping, jacking and flashing to expect her or any wife to obtain half the wealth and a variety of other provisions during a divorce.

Collecting an ex or deceased spouse's SS after 10 years of marriage is common practice. Nothing to see there.

Try again.

It's hypocritical considering her political perspective.  Duh.
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2019, 02:19:49 PM »
It's hypocritical considering her political perspective.  Duh.
It's not hypocritical to avail yourself of a fund you paid into.

I could be an ultra billionaire and I would STILL collect every last provision afforded to me by means of systems I've paid into. I could care less how much that makes anyone cry.

As a matter of fact, just to be an extra prick about the matter I would purposely flaunt both my riches and the social security checks I am cashing with as much vigor as I could. Then I would purposely spend the social security check on items that were the most frivolous I could possibly find and flaunt that too. Just to make the snowflakes cry harder.  :biglaugha:

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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2019, 02:40:49 PM »
The age old democRAT way is tax ALL of your money away, then give some back to you via goobermints programs, then call you hypocrite when you bitch about the system!

Imagine the democRAT hysterics if we made SSI a default opt-out program!!!! BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2019, 02:48:03 PM »

Imagine the democRAT hysterics if we made SSI a default opt-out program!!!! BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Then CONs and corporate Dems would have one less piggy bank to raid when they are doling out corporate welfare.
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2019, 02:55:50 PM »
Then CONs and corporate Dems would have one less piggy bank to raid when they are doling out corporate welfare.

I bet I've paid over 4K into SSI so far this year. Thats a fukin travesty considering my return will likely be 1/4 of what I'll have paid in at most. I'll get MORE of my 401K investment back. SSI should work the same. Since it doesnt, its a ponzi scheme.

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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2019, 02:57:31 PM »
I bet I've paid over 4K into SSI so far this year. Thats a fukin travesty considering my return will likely be 1/4 of what I'll have paid in at most. I'll get MORE of my 401K investment back. SSI should work the same. Since it doesnt, its a ponzi scheme.

You think you'll only get 1k a year in SS?  You don't understand how it works AT ALL, do you?
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« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2019, 03:02:03 PM »
You think you'll only get 1k a year in SS?  You don't understand how it works AT ALL, do you?

I think I'll only get 1/4 of my total investment back from SSI. That includes ALL of my investment. Thats what I meant when I wrote "my return will likely be 1/4 of what I'll have paid in". If I die before retirement, I'll get $250.00....or rather my heirs will. Thats criminal.

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« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2019, 03:07:35 PM »
I think I'll only get 1/4 of my total investment back from SSI. That includes ALL of my investment. Thats what I meant when I wrote "my return will likely be 1/4 of what I'll have paid in". If I die before retirement, I'll get $250.00....or rather my heirs will. Thats criminal.

So, you have paid a total of 4k into SS in your life?  And you think you're going to die immediately after retirement?  Because, you know, SS pays monthly, every year, until you die.  It can add up to many times more than you ever put into it.  If the CONs don't steal the funds, that is.
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #23 on: May 13, 2019, 05:59:10 PM »
So, you have paid a total of 4k into SS in your life?  And you think you're going to die immediately after retirement?  Because, you know, SS pays monthly, every year, until you die.  It can add up to many times more than you ever put into it.  If the CONs don't steal the funds, that is.

I have paid $4K into it (at least) in 2019 alone. Many thousands over my life, even paying the entire 13.2% myself for several years when I ran my own business. I will have to live beyond 85 in order to possibly break even. Normally, when you make an investment, even if its purchasing stocks that pay dividends, you wind up getting MORE back than your initial investment PLUS if you die, there's something more than $250.00 to pass down to your heirs.

democRATs endangered SSI when they raided it to pay out to people who never paid in a single dime.

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« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2019, 06:14:53 PM »
I have paid $4K into it (at least) in 2019 alone.


So?  My guess is you will be getting FAR more than 10k a year in SS.  I think your math is off.
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2019, 08:26:55 PM »
It's not hypocritical to avail yourself of a fund you paid into.

I could be an ultra billionaire and I would STILL collect every last provision afforded to me by means of systems I've paid into. I could care less how much that makes anyone cry.

As a matter of fact, just to be an extra prick about the matter I would purposely flaunt both my riches and the social security checks I am cashing with as much vigor as I could. Then I would purposely spend the social security check on items that were the most frivolous I could possibly find and flaunt that too. Just to make the snowflakes cry harder.  :biglaugha:

I don't care that she did it beyond showing how full of shit she was.  Just like you ask Bernie to pay more than he has to in taxes, which I do as well.   

If Bernie should live up to his words, so should she have. 

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.   :blowkiss:
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« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2019, 12:40:00 AM »

So?  My guess is you will be getting FAR more than 10k a year in SS.  I think your math is off.

Many articles have been written on the SSI payouts over many decades. Every one I've read places the break even point at about 85 when retiring at 65. The vast majority never make it to 85 and in fact only pay out $250 in a one time death benefit.

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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2019, 12:51:11 AM »
I don't care that she did it beyond showing how full of shit she was.  Just like you ask Bernie to pay more than he has to in taxes, which I do as well.   

If Bernie should live up to his words, so should she have. 

What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.   :blowkiss:

The major difference to me is when you live under capitalism and want to take peoples wealth and enslave them to government socialist policies, you should at least have the courage to lead by example. Not that it would make me anymore receptive to the concept.

When you live under the oppression of a socialist policy that drains at least some of your ability to save on your own as SSI does, recouping a small portion of what was forceably liberated from you actually supports your position since what you really want is to take it ALL back.

You want  more taken so give. You want more back so take.

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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2019, 12:56:22 AM »
The major difference to me is when you live under capitalism and want to take peoples wealth and enslave them to government socialist policies, you should at least have the courage to lead by example. Not that it would make me anymore receptive to the concept.

When you live under the oppression of a socialist policy that drains at least some of your ability to save on your own as SSI does, recouping a small portion of what was forceably liberated from you actually supports your position since what you really want is to take it ALL back.

You want  more taken so give. You want more back so take.

Most people take more than they ever paid in, get real.
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« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2019, 01:18:47 AM »
Most people take more than they ever paid in, get real.

That is simply not true. My dad and all 3 of his brothers died before 55. Their Dad died at 69. My grandmother died at 83. Not a single one made it to 85. The average lifespan of Americans is less than 80.

https://money.cnn.com/2013/04/14/news/economy/social-security-benefits/index.html
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2013/feb/01/medicare-and-social-security-what-you-paid-what-yo/
Show the overall trend is less of a percentage of money paid out to recipients. Sure, if you include all the people who dont pay in and yet take, the numbers all show a higher rate of payout vs input. When you look at the groups who all pay in and compare that to what they receive in benefits, they take out less than what they've put in.

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