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Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« on: May 12, 2019, 12:32:27 AM »
[Ayn Rand's] books provided wide-ranging parables of "parasites," "looters" and "moochers" using the levers of government to steal the fruits of her heroes' labor. In the real world, however, Rand herself received Social Security payments and Medicare benefits under the name of Ann O'Connor (her husband was Frank O'Connor).

As Michael Ford of Xavier University's Center for the Study of the American Dream wrote, "In the end, Miss Rand was a hypocrite but she could never be faulted for failing to act in her own self-interest."

She was elderly and sick and needed surgery (lung surgery, after knocking down two packs a day for decades). Presumably she had a fair amount of money. But she turned to Social Security and Medicare. And under her husband's name!

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2011/jan/31/usdomesticpolicy-ayn-rand-hypocrite-fraud
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2019, 10:44:45 AM »
When you pay into the system, you should draw from it. No hypocrisy whatsoever.
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2019, 10:50:20 AM »
As well she should.

She paid into the system she should draw from the system. It wouldn't bother me if she were a billionaire 10 times over.


weak example to prove your already weak point.


Are you off your LSD bend yet? YOu know, the one that has you seeing edit tags that aren't there?  :biglaugha:
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2019, 11:50:18 AM »
You pay for that bitch after you retire also

like 130 a month and then you still need supplement plans that are costly
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2019, 03:26:29 PM »
When you pay into the system, you should draw from it. No hypocrisy whatsoever.

Why am I not surprised that you don't recognize blatant hypocrisy, when it bitch slaps you repeatedly across  your face.
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2019, 03:52:54 PM »
Why am I not surprised that you don't recognize blatant hypocrisy, when it bitch slaps you repeatedly across  your face.

Preach it!
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2019, 11:42:47 PM »
Why am I not surprised that you don't recognize blatant hypocrisy, when it bitch slaps you repeatedly across  your face.

It isnt hypocrisy when you're forced to pay for a service and then use it. I will draw SSI. No hypocrisy whatsoever. I would also eliminate SSI if given the chance and STILL continue to draw it. Everyone thats paid into it should draw. People under a certain age should get a partial refund. People on it who never paid in such as illegals and people who came in the country unable to work should get the boot.
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2019, 11:55:45 PM »
It isnt hypocrisy when you're forced to pay for a service and then use it. I will draw SSI. No hypocrisy whatsoever. I would also eliminate SSI if given the chance and STILL continue to draw it. Everyone thats paid into it should draw. People under a certain age should get a partial refund. People on it who never paid in such as illegals and people who came in the country unable to work should get the boot.

Bullshit.

Your head would explode so hard your brains would spread for a mile around you (even though you have so few of them) if a lib did something even somewhat as hypocritical.
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2019, 12:14:53 AM »
You pay for that bitch after you retire also

like 130 a month and then you still need supplement plans that are costly
Is your brain on backwards or something?


Serious. I thought blandscape was bad but you're sure giving him a run for his money
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2019, 12:40:06 AM »
Bullshit.

Your head would explode so hard your brains would spread for a mile around you (even though you have so few of them) if a lib did something even somewhat as hypocritical.

You mean like my fat assed governor proposing more taxes for others while pulling the toilets out of his house to avoid taxes? Yea, that actually IS hypocrisy.

Rand being forced to pay for a program she wants gone and using the services she paid for = no hypocrisy
Using dubious tax breaks as a billionaire while espousing the duty of all to pay more taxes = hypocrisy
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2019, 12:48:46 AM »
You mean like my fat assed governor proposing more taxes for others while pulling the toilets out of his house to avoid taxes? Yea, that actually IS hypocrisy.

Rand being forced to pay for a program she wants gone and using the services she paid for = no hypocrisy
Using dubious tax breaks as a billionaire while espousing the duty of all to pay more taxes = hypocrisy

Rand collected her husband's social security, which means she did not pay into the fund.

Your governor has no toilets in his house?
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2019, 12:58:27 AM »
Rand collected her husband's social security, which means she did not pay into the fund.


Oh boy. But I bet you'd be the same person jumping, jacking and flashing to expect her or any wife to obtain half the wealth and a variety of other provisions during a divorce.

Collecting an ex or deceased spouse's SS after 10 years of marriage is common practice. Nothing to see there.

Try again.
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2019, 01:01:44 AM »
Rand collected her husband's social security, which means she did not pay into the fund.

Your governor has no toilets in his house?

Question: Did Rand pay into SSI?
Question: Is a wife eligible to collect her spouses if married X number of years?
You cant force someone into a system and then complain when they use that system you forced them into.

JB Pritzger bought the property next to his mansion so he didnt have to put up with any trashy millionaire scumbags. After all, he's a billionaire. He didnt want to pay taxes on a house he used for he and his buddies to play poker and party in so he had all the toilets removed and declared the house uninhabitable. JB Pritzger is a lifelong democRAT and preaches more taxation and more spending. Now that he's governor, he has proposed raising a multitude of tax increases. He's a typical hypocrite democrat no different than when lurch kerry sailed his yacht 2 states down so he could avoid the new yacht tax in taxachusetts. Of course lurch also supports people paying more taxes.
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2019, 02:44:51 AM »
Question: Did Rand pay into SSI?
Question: Is a wife eligible to collect her spouses if married X number of years?
You cant force someone into a system and then complain when they use that system you forced them into.

JB Pritzger bought the property next to his mansion so he didnt have to put up with any trashy millionaire scumbags. After all, he's a billionaire. He didnt want to pay taxes on a house he used for he and his buddies to play poker and party in so he had all the toilets removed and declared the house uninhabitable. JB Pritzger is a lifelong democRAT and preaches more taxation and more spending. Now that he's governor, he has proposed raising a multitude of tax increases. He's a typical hypocrite democrat no different than when lurch kerry sailed his yacht 2 states down so he could avoid the new yacht tax in taxachusetts. Of course lurch also supports people paying more taxes.

I don't know if you have noticed (I mean, I know you're not too sharp), but I have no love for billionaires.  I'm no partisan hack.  Billionaires of either party are usually criminals.
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2019, 01:13:36 PM »
I don't know if you have noticed (I mean, I know you're not too sharp), but I have no love for billionaires.  I'm no partisan hack.  Billionaires of either party are usually criminals.

Speaking of not too sharp, my point was to give an example of actual hypocrisy which typically comes from the left. You questioned the details on Pritzger, I provided them.
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2019, 01:45:33 PM »
Oh boy. But I bet you'd be the same person jumping, jacking and flashing to expect her or any wife to obtain half the wealth and a variety of other provisions during a divorce.

Collecting an ex or deceased spouse's SS after 10 years of marriage is common practice. Nothing to see there.

Try again.

It's hypocritical considering her political perspective.  Duh.
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2019, 02:19:49 PM »
It's hypocritical considering her political perspective.  Duh.
It's not hypocritical to avail yourself of a fund you paid into.

I could be an ultra billionaire and I would STILL collect every last provision afforded to me by means of systems I've paid into. I could care less how much that makes anyone cry.

As a matter of fact, just to be an extra prick about the matter I would purposely flaunt both my riches and the social security checks I am cashing with as much vigor as I could. Then I would purposely spend the social security check on items that were the most frivolous I could possibly find and flaunt that too. Just to make the snowflakes cry harder.  :biglaugha:
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2019, 02:40:49 PM »
The age old democRAT way is tax ALL of your money away, then give some back to you via goobermints programs, then call you hypocrite when you bitch about the system!

Imagine the democRAT hysterics if we made SSI a default opt-out program!!!! BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #18 on: May 13, 2019, 02:48:03 PM »

Imagine the democRAT hysterics if we made SSI a default opt-out program!!!! BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Then CONs and corporate Dems would have one less piggy bank to raid when they are doling out corporate welfare.
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Re: Ayn Rand collected social security and Medicare
« Reply #19 on: May 13, 2019, 02:55:50 PM »
Then CONs and corporate Dems would have one less piggy bank to raid when they are doling out corporate welfare.

I bet I've paid over 4K into SSI so far this year. Thats a fukin travesty considering my return will likely be 1/4 of what I'll have paid in at most. I'll get MORE of my 401K investment back. SSI should work the same. Since it doesnt, its a ponzi scheme.
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