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Dovey

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 I find it very interesting that you have actually been shown, a few times, what the medical scientific consensus is on the beginning of human life and you continue to claim it says the opposite.

 Perhaps you are ignorant confusing your personal philosophy on "life, what does it meeeaaannn" with actual biology. Its good thing your local future RN is here to help you muddle through all this uneducated confusion.

 Should we go over what primary sources are? Are you really so confused on this at your age? Ill help with that too but its a damn shame i have to because adults really should know this. It is just a sad state here. Maybe one day you should decide to not post nonsense online, pick up your knuckles and open a book. There is a whole world out there.

 Anywho, here are some primary citations from properly cited medical sources.

 
"Development of the embryo begins at Stage 1 when a sperm fertilizes an oocyte and together they form a zygote."
[England, Marjorie A. Life Before Birth. 2nd ed. England: Mosby-Wolfe, 1996, p.31]


"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception).
"Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."
[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]


"Embryo: the developing organism from the time of fertilization until significant differentiation has occurred, when the organism becomes known as a fetus."
[Cloning Human Beings. Report and Recommendations of the National Bioethics Advisory Commission. Rockville, MD: GPO, 1997, Appendix-2.]


"Embryo: An organism in the earliest stage of development; in a man, from the time of conception to the end of the second month in the uterus."
[Dox, Ida G. et al. The Harper Collins Illustrated Medical Dictionary. New York: Harper Perennial, 1993, p. 146]


"Embryo: The early developing fertilized egg that is growing into another individual of the species. In man the term 'embryo' is usually restricted to the period of development from fertilization until the end of the eighth week of pregnancy."
[Walters, William and Singer, Peter (eds.). Test-Tube Babies. Melbourne: Oxford University Press, 1982, p. 160]


"The development of a human being begins with fertilization, a process by which two highly specialized cells, the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female, unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
[Langman, Jan. Medical Embryology. 3rd edition. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1975, p. 3]


"Embryo: The developing individual between the union of the germ cells and the completion of the organs which characterize its body when it becomes a separate organism.... At the moment the sperm cell of the human male meets the ovum of the female and the union results in a fertilized ovum (zygote), a new life has begun.... The term embryo covers the several stages of early development from conception to the ninth or tenth week of life."
[Considine, Douglas (ed.). Van Nostrand's Scientific Encyclopedia. 5th edition. New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1976, p. 943]


"I would say that among most scientists, the word 'embryo' includes the time from after fertilization..."
[Dr. John Eppig, Senior Staff Scientist, Jackson Laboratory (Bar Harbor, Maine) and Member of the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 31]


"The development of a human begins with fertilization, a process by which the spermatozoon from the male and the oocyte from the female unite to give rise to a new organism, the zygote."
[Sadler, T.W. Langman's Medical Embryology. 7th edition. Baltimore: Williams & Wilkins 1995, p. 3]


"The question came up of what is an embryo, when does an embryo exist, when does it occur. I think, as you know, that in development, life is a continuum.... But I think one of the useful definitions that has come out, especially from Germany, has been the stage at which these two nuclei [from sperm and egg] come together and the membranes between the two break down."
[Jonathan Van Blerkom of University of Colorado, expert witness on human embryology before the NIH Human Embryo Research Panel -- Panel Transcript, February 2, 1994, p. 63]


"Zygote. This cell, formed by the union of an ovum and a sperm (Gr. zyg tos, yoked together), represents the beginning of a human being. The common expression 'fertilized ovum' refers to the zygote."
[Moore, Keith L. and Persaud, T.V.N. Before We Are Born: Essentials of Embryology and Birth Defects. 4th edition. Philadelphia: W.B. Saunders Company, 1993, p. 1]


"The chromosomes of the oocyte and sperm are...respectively enclosed within female and male pronuclei. These pronuclei fuse with each other to produce the single, diploid, 2N nucleus of the fertilized zygote. This moment of zygote formation may be taken as the beginning or zero time point of embryonic development."
[Larsen, William J. Human Embryology. 2nd edition. New York: Churchill Livingstone, 1997, p. 17]


"Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed.... The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity."
[O'Rahilly, Ronan and M�ller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]


"Almost all higher animals start their lives from a single cell, the fertilized ovum (zygote)... The time of fertilization represents the starting point in the life history, or ontogeny, of the individual."
[Carlson, Bruce M. Patten's Foundations of Embryology. 6th edition. New York: McGraw-Hill, 1996, p. 3]


"[A]nimal biologists use the term embryo to describe the single cell stage, the two-cell stage, and all subsequent stages up until a time when recognizable humanlike limbs and facial features begin to appear between six to eight weeks after fertilization....
"[A] number of specialists working in the field of human reproduction have suggested that we stop using the word embryo to describe the developing entity that exists for the first two weeks after fertilization. In its place, they proposed the term pre-embryo....
"I'll let you in on a secret. The term pre-embryo has been embraced wholeheartedly by IVF practitioners for reasons that are political, not scientific. The new term is used to provide the illusion that there is something profoundly different between what we nonmedical biologists still call a six-day-old embryo and what we and everyone else call a sixteen-day-old embryo.
"The term pre-embryo is useful in the political arena -- where decisions are made about whether to allow early embryo (now called pre-embryo) experimentation -- as well as in the confines of a doctor's office, where it can be used to allay moral concerns that might be expressed by IVF patients. 'Don't worry,' a doctor might say, 'it's only pre-embryos that we're manipulating or freezing. They won't turn into real human embryos until after we've put them back into your body.'"
[Silver, Lee M. Remaking Eden: Cloning and Beyond in a Brave New World. New York: Avon Books, 1997, p. 39]

 "ABSTRACT: The predominance of human biological research confirms that human life begins at conception—fertilization.  At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated zygotic living human organism, a member of the species Homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference between the individual in its adult stage and in its zygotic stage is one of form, not nature. This statement focuses on the scientific evidence of when an individual human life begins."

https://www.acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/life-issues/when-human-life-begins

Fertilization normally takes place within one day of intercourse but can occur up to six days later.[35] [36]

* At fertilization, the genetic composition of humans is formed.[37] This genetic information determines gender, eye color, hair color, and facial features. It also influences characteristics such as intelligence and personality.[38]

* The medical textbook The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology states that “fertilization” creates “a new combination of chromosomes that is different from that in the cells of either of the parents,” and this “is the beginning of a new human being.”[39]

* The four defining characteristics of life are present at fertilization:[40]

growth[41]
reproduction[42]
metabolism[43]
response to stimuli[44] [45]
* Genetically speaking, with the exception of identical twins, once a woman conceives a preborn human, the odds against her conceiving the same one again are greater than 10600 to one.[46] [47] In comparison, there are roughly 1080 atoms in the known universe.[48]

* Identical twins are biologically unique from each other due to epigenetic differences that affect the expression of their genes.[49] [50]

https://www.justfacts.com/abortion.asp

 

The conclusion that human life begins at sperm-egg fusion is uncontested, objective, based on the universally accepted scientific method of distinguishing different cell types from each other and on ample scientific evidence (thousands of independent, peer-reviewed publications). Moreover, it is entirely independent of any specific ethical, moral, political, or religious view of human life or of human embryos. Indeed, this definition does not directly address the central ethical question surrounding the embryo: What value ought society place on human life at the earliest stages of development?  A neutral examination of the evidence merely establishes the onset of a new human life at a scientifically well-defined “moment of conception,” a conclusion that unequivocally indicates that human embryos from the one-cell stage forward are indeed living individuals of the human species; i.e., human beings.

 

*Dr. Condic is Associate Professor of Neurobiology and Adjunct Professor of Pediatrics at the University of Utah School of Medicine.  She is also Director of Human Embryology instruction for the Medical School and of Human Neuroanatomy for the Dental School.

 

[1] Condic, M.L. (2008).  “When does human life begin?  A scientific perspective.” Westchester Institute White Paper.  1(1): 1-18.  Westchester Institute for Ethics & the Human Person,  Thornwood, NY.   (available at: http://www.bdfund.org/whitepaperst/). [Reprinted in: Natl Cathol Bioeth Quart. 9(1):127-208.]

[2] Condic, M.L. (2014).  Totipotency; What it is and what it is not.  Stem Cells and Development, 23(8): 796-812 (available at:  http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/scd.2013.0364).

 In case all this is hard for you, here is a video of a doctor discussing it



 I have loads more, on human embryology and development. Again you fucking ignorant twat, every body of medical science confirms this.  You go right ahead and cough up ONE, just ONE reputable, peer reviewed primary source that says otherwise. FYI numb nuts, "fetus" is a term for a STAGE OF HUMAN DEVELOPMENT in the context of human reproduction.  You keep using it to dehumanize human beings in the fetal stage of development, much like how racist slave drivers used "negro" to dehumanize slaves. How does it feel to be on the wrong, ignorant and barbaric side of history?

 Since we both know you cannot, feel free to shut the fuck up and dont let me catch you exploiting dead children as political ammo ever again, you anti human rights, anti science, woman hating hypocrite.  What you are is a science denying fucking monster who only cares about what you think. So dont bother fucking pretending you care about human beings ever again because i will cunt punt the fuck out of you.

 :popcorn:

 

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Those guys won’t be terminating their pregnancies. 
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 Here we have a doctor teaching med students the medical scientific consensus that human life BEGINS AT FERTILIZATION.

Those guys won’t be terminating their pregnancies. 

 According to the annals of health law and stats, alot of guys like this coerce the termination of pregnancy via killing the unborn human being in a forced abortion.

 So in a way, they do.

 Leave things alone and the condition of pregnancy will terminate itself in a thing called child birth,  or a csec.
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 According to the annals of health law and stats, alot of guys like this coerce the termination of pregnancy via killing the unborn human being in a forced abortion.

 So in a way, they do.

 Leave things alone and the condition of pregnancy will terminate itself in a thing called child birth,  or a csec.

Those guys have the ghey. 
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 Are you homophobic?
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Are you homophobic?

I’ll ask my two moms if I am. 
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 Either of your 2 moms ever lose a baby?

 Kinda awesome your two moms were able to have you and you werent ripped up and tossed in a dumpster somewhere, eh?
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Either of your 2 moms ever lose a baby?

 Kinda awesome your two moms were able to have you and you werent ripped up and tossed in a dumpster somewhere, eh?

We’re Catholic.
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 Thats nice.

 I didnt ask, though.

 I asked if your pretend two lesbian mothers ever lost a baby.

 Ever look in the tear stained eyes of a grieving mother and say "well, it was just a clump, not a human anyway"?

 Because ive seen that happen. Its pretty awful.

 Just askin.
 
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Genetically speaking, with the exception of identical twins, once a woman conceives a preborn human, the odds against her conceiving the same one again are greater than 10600 to one. In comparison, there are roughly 1080 atoms in the known universe.

Seems like it's a small world, after all.

With primary sources like these, who needs secondary ones?
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 Kinda awesome your two moms were able to have you and you werent ripped up and tossed in a dumpster somewhere, eh?
no. Actually.   Quite tragic in fact
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Seems like it's a small world, after all.

With primary sources like these, who needs secondary ones?


 I understand you have strong feelings and opinions about astrophysics and religion.  But all of those are secular texts.

 If you want to assert some expertise on this topic, go start your own thread and we can have a go at this. I fully expect to see empirical evidence of life coming from nonlife organically in nature. Ill even continue to use secular sources.

 Until then, what else here do you have a problem with and do you have citation to support your issue? 

 FYI, a video isnt a primary source.

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