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Re: Polar bear propaganda is unethical
« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2022, 03:19:25 PM »
If ya get attacked by a bear unarmed the only thing ya got goin for you is yer speed and the ability to outrun and outclinb the bear, Dovey.

Just make sure yer as fast as a gazelle & can defy death, kay?



 Joe.....I'm fast, and if my adrenaline is pumping I'm fast as fuck.

 But I'd never out run a bear.

 MY best bet would be pressing myself against its chest and holding on like a hug. A bear hug  :biglaugha: and somehow being able to press my thumbs or fingers in its eyes.

 And even then I'd likely die from my injuries before getting out of the woods.

 I'm just too petite and my bones wouldnt hold up. They grab and shake you....like a dog with a chew toy....and that alone would probably internally decapitate me.

 Its rough on men who survive bear maulings.... I wouldnt survive that. I'm too small and my body would be too fragile.
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Re: Polar bear propaganda is unethical
« Reply #21 on: September 12, 2022, 03:25:49 PM »
Perhaps this isn't the most ethical way to go about persuading people to be environmentally conscious because now everything they've tried to accomplish (for the good) with this vid has been outed as a lie and people may question what is published in the future with a negative view, even though some may be factual :( 
 

I saw the Polar Bear vid years ago and was devastated. The vid DID make me think about our planet and I DID change some of my habits.  So yeah, I think people need to be nudged to make them "aware" of our impact on the planet, but not based on a lie.  It's a tough call :/ 

Also..I'm sure this vid is still helping these environmental organizations bring in huge(much-needed) donations. That's a big incentive for passing this kind of story off as fact :/

 Right?

 My daughter was so confused seeing the polar bears swim because she really thought they were out there drowning and starving and nearing extinction.

 Polar bear populations are thriving. In fact a new bear species is being made because of the melting sea ice, the polar bears are coming ashore more and they are coming into contact with grizzlys and mating....so there are pizzly bears out there now  :biglaugha:
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Re: Polar bear propaganda is unethical
« Reply #22 on: September 12, 2022, 03:39:38 PM »
My biggest problem is the promotion of bear spray being the best deterrent. If someone wants to use bear spray, more power to them but it does nothing to stop a bear mechanically. The author of the link I posted is actively looking for events in the past 30 years where someone was unable to stop a bear attack with a deployed pistol. He found one case. The reason was the shooter didnt hit the bear. From the site. The claim:   “Actually, there are legions of people who have been badly mauled after using a handgun on a bear. Even some of the vaunted magnums.”

His challenge: "OK, give us a few examples. As you claim “legions”, it should not be too hard."

If a bear attacks without being seen, bear spray and guns will have the same effect, nothing. I could deploy my Anaconda as fast as I could deploy bear spray, faster actually. Bear spray has a safety that has to be removed FIRST! My Anaconda has NO SAFETY! When I pull it out of the holster, I simply pull the trigger and BOOM! You do not have to cock it. Now my DE 44 mag has a single action trigger like a 1911 so if I were to carry it, I would carry it cocked and locked. Then, when I pull it out of the holster, I would need to drop the safety before pulling the trigger. Like the bear spray, this is an extra action that could easily cost precious time during an attack. IMO, this makes a SA/DA revolver the best choice.

Now if I happened across this gay cunt, I might just shoot him AND the bear. Dont want the bear getting HIV or Monkeypox!


Personally, IDGAF  about wildlife and I dont interact with it outside of the farm. I'm just not into it. Because of that, I wont have a bear/human interaction. My cousin lives out west in the woods and he has bears wander onto the property from time to time. He kills em. They never get a second chance.

 Lok if I was out in bear country for whatever reason (and it would have to be a GOOD one) i want all the weapons. And I'd have the spray and my gun ready to fire.

 I definately would put up a fight before becoming bear shit  :biglaugha: :biglaugha:

 Have you heard of that incredible fucking dumb ass "Grizzly man" who went out to Alaska bear territory and intentionally set up his camp right smack where the bears traverse? And then the idiot stuck around as fall came when the bears start getting agitated because they are preparing for hibernation and trying to pack on as much fat as they can?

 So he got himself killed and half eaten AND got his girlfriend killed and half eaten. The bear cached them and they had to be killed so the remains could be recovered. Timothy Treadwell? 

 Stupid fucker. Claimed he loved bears so much and then proceeded to get bears killed.  And I watched something where the park rangers even told him (because he openly said he didnt care if they killed him....he didnt really believe they would. Magical thinking) if they had to kill any of the bears because of him, they would not forgive him.

 So he did it anyway. And he inspired other idiots to go into the bush and fuck with bears....so he got other stupid people killed as well as got more bears killed.  Predictably this guy fancied himself an "environmentalist" and he was from CA.....so there you go.

 Sometimes I really hate some people. The kind of people who claim to love and care about certain kinds of very dangerous animals.....so they go put themselves in stupid situations and end up dead or mauled and the animal ends up killed.

 I think if a predatory animal (like bears, tigers, lions...et) kills someone who put themselves in the situation....the animal shouldnt have to die. It's the dumb humans own fault.

 Like in the video I posted of that retard who kicked the bear. If they bear killed him....he deserved it for being stupid as fuck and the bear should just be left alone.

 If the animals come out of their territory and are attacking people..totally different.

 People NEED to be able to hunt bear. Too many of an apex predator is dangerous. They end up without enough food, competing, and they start coming into residential areas due to the lack of food and territory.  It's bad for the bears and dangerous for people.  There are habituated bear up in the UP that go into yards and dont really fear humans and they become a big problem. Polar bears are thriving and they are gonna start becoming a problem for people (if they arent already).

 It's on humans to control the bear populations....we are their only natural predator.  My great uncle used to hunt black bear up north....he had a very large bear skin that used to be on the wall when I was kid. He told us all he physically fought the bear with his hands and we believed him  :biglaugha:
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Re: Polar bear propaganda is unethical
« Reply #23 on: September 12, 2022, 04:27:25 PM »
I'd say a .44 magnum would give you the best chance of survival Lokmeer



. YAD waste too much time with a rifle. By the time ya mount it, game over.

Aim for the forehead right between the eyes tho.

Some guy in Canada used a log and smashed an attacking bear on the head between the eyes killing it. He didnt even have a gun.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1075830/Bring-sweetie-Man-kills-bear-stick-hes-got-scars-prove-it.html

So i suspect thats where their sweet spot is.

Mind you any gun does not guarantee you 100% survival in a bear attack...Lokmeer!

Ya gotta be lucky too, Bud.

Thats right josephine, there are no guarantees in life. BTW, that idiot with the shotgun purposely aimed at the side of the bear because he didnt want to kill her. What a dumb fuk! It goes without saying that Lokmeer would have shot that fucker until it stopped moving be it with the Benelli M4 or the Colt Anaconda!
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Re: Polar bear propaganda is unethical
« Reply #24 on: September 12, 2022, 04:34:32 PM »
Lok if I was out in bear country for whatever reason (and it would have to be a GOOD one) i want all the weapons. And I'd have the spray and my gun ready to fire.

 I definately would put up a fight before becoming bear shit  :biglaugha: :biglaugha:

 Have you heard of that incredible fucking dumb ass "Grizzly man" who went out to Alaska bear territory and intentionally set up his camp right smack where the bears traverse? And then the idiot stuck around as fall came when the bears start getting agitated because they are preparing for hibernation and trying to pack on as much fat as they can?

 So he got himself killed and half eaten AND got his girlfriend killed and half eaten. The bear cached them and they had to be killed so the remains could be recovered. Timothy Treadwell? 

 Stupid fucker. Claimed he loved bears so much and then proceeded to get bears killed.  And I watched something where the park rangers even told him (because he openly said he didnt care if they killed him....he didnt really believe they would. Magical thinking) if they had to kill any of the bears because of him, they would not forgive him.

 So he did it anyway. And he inspired other idiots to go into the bush and fuck with bears....so he got other stupid people killed as well as got more bears killed.  Predictably this guy fancied himself an "environmentalist" and he was from CA.....so there you go.

 Sometimes I really hate some people. The kind of people who claim to love and care about certain kinds of very dangerous animals.....so they go put themselves in stupid situations and end up dead or mauled and the animal ends up killed.

 I think if a predatory animal (like bears, tigers, lions...et) kills someone who put themselves in the situation....the animal shouldnt have to die. It's the dumb humans own fault.

 Like in the video I posted of that retard who kicked the bear. If they bear killed him....he deserved it for being stupid as fuck and the bear should just be left alone.

 If the animals come out of their territory and are attacking people..totally different.

 People NEED to be able to hunt bear. Too many of an apex predator is dangerous. They end up without enough food, competing, and they start coming into residential areas due to the lack of food and territory.  It's bad for the bears and dangerous for people.  There are habituated bear up in the UP that go into yards and dont really fear humans and they become a big problem. Polar bears are thriving and they are gonna start becoming a problem for people (if they arent already).

 It's on humans to control the bear populations....we are their only natural predator.  My great uncle used to hunt black bear up north....he had a very large bear skin that used to be on the wall when I was kid. He told us all he physically fought the bear with his hands and we believed him  :biglaugha:

LOL! Yea, I remember that douchebag! We all knew how that story was gonna end!  :biglaugha: Some people have to die for their virtue signaling tho!

I like driving through parks and looking at the scenery....but I only GAF about 1 living thing while I'm out there, ME! 

These bear encounters remind me of robbery situations....they're all different! And I agree that its best to have everything at your disposal to protect yourself.
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Re: Polar bear propaganda is unethical
« Reply #25 on: September 12, 2022, 07:00:00 PM »
LOL! Yea, I remember that douchebag! We all knew how that story was gonna end!  :biglaugha: Some people have to die for their virtue signaling tho!

I like driving through parks and looking at the scenery....but I only GAF about 1 living thing while I'm out there, ME! 

These bear encounters remind me of robbery situations....they're all different! And I agree that its best to have everything at your disposal to protect yourself.

 Remember this dumb bitch from Faces of Death? I'm glad THIS bear didnt have to die because these people were drooling ass fucking morons. Dont they even stress to people going into Yellowstone to NOT draw the bears to you and feed them and interact with them?

 


 "Be careful honey!"   :crazy:
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Re: Polar bear propaganda is unethical
« Reply #26 on: September 12, 2022, 09:49:22 PM »
Joe.....I'm fast, and if my adrenaline is pumping I'm fast as fuck.

 But I'd never out run a bear.

Many years ago i outran a big black bear which looked like it weighed over 400 lbs or more.

So it can be done.

Only very few people actually live to tell about it.

Luck has to be on your side that day tho.

I think I was spared because I didnt anger the Bear God/Spirit. Someone, a Native Indian killed a bear the night before & fed the meat to everyone in the camp. I think if I ate it I would have died the next day. But out of sympathy I didnt eat its meat.

Im sure that bear could smell its brethern on us the day after and was out for revenge eh.karma can be very real.

So be kind to animals Dovey.

Everything wants to live eh.
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Re: Polar bear propaganda is unethical
« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2022, 10:03:34 PM »
Many years ago i outran a big black bear which looked like it weighed over 400 lbs or more.

So it can be done.

Only very few people actually live to tell about it.

Luck has to be on your side that day tho.

I think I was spared because I didnt anger the Bear God/Spirit. Someone, a Native Indian killed a bear the night before & fed the meat to everyone in the camp. I think if I ate it I would have died the next day. But out of sympathy I didnt eat its meat.

Im sure that bear could smell its brethern on us the day after and was out for revenge eh.karma can be very real.

So be kind to animals Dovey.

Everything wants to live eh.

LMFAO! You know what josephine, that  bear wouldnt outrun my gun!!!!!!

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